Thought about this essay so much last night watching Rustin which I think is a powerful film that can show the ways in which anger can galvanize and simultaneously be marginalized within a movement. Thank you as always for your writing.
I never thought I would be subscribed to a substack that would call for the removal of Jews from Israel, per the above comments, and call the torture of babies righteous violence, but I will be removing myself now.
yes, please unfollow my work. i do not want anyone to follow me who would spout such bullshit and spiritually calloused propaganda. i hope you realize the error of your thinking and where your heart lies. palestinian freedom and the freedom of all people is necessary. that you think i’m calling for removal and baby torture is laughably twisting and misreading my work. your thinking is cruel and disgusting. i don’t want anyone like you in my corner.
every zionist accusation is a confession!! and removal of Jews...you just have to laugh. they can live side by side in peace with Palestinian Christians and Muslims like they did years ago or they can go back to Europe and America since many of them have dual citizenship.
TLDR: You're so confidently wrong and you will be in for a rude awakening when you'll take the time to see the horror you're either excusing or glossing over. Rape has nothing to do with revolution. I can believe I keep on having to spell it out to leftists basing their inane opinion on the most complex conflict of the century on TikToks sourced by Al-Jhazeera. We're going to lose worldwide elections to the far-right because of how dangerous, gullible and out of touch the left political base proved to be here.
Please, don’t believe and spread misinformation. Hamas is using ambulances to smuggle fighters and weapons. That makes sense when you declared war on Israel and are actively being searched and rooted out. You don’t have to believe Hamas’ twisting that fact of their guerilla tactics to make Israel look evil.
There’s verified and trusted sources detailing both, no need to invent some and take as gospel what you found on TikTok. You may only write Al-Jhazeera lies on your blog, but some people read those and go hurting the first Jew they find.
Look for yourself: No EMT on sight but a driver, and two dudes looking dandy climbing in the back. Does that look like terrorists trying to escape the surveillance of modern intelligence on an active war theater, or a regular emergency call?
Bonus, to see the misinformation on sm some eat up. @saleh.aljafarawi, an Hamas ‘influencer’ with 80k of followers, with a very different tune depending on what’s needed to sway the opinion: appeal to fanaticism or to sympathy.
You mentioning the Haitian Revolution and proposing this hypothetical of placing it today that makes no practical sense shows how out of touch you are, and so confidently wrong. First of all, there is no world where France still hasn’t abolished slavery but the rest of the world did, so I posit that in your scenario, it is not de facto abolished in every country of the world like it is today. So I suppose that yes, most people would side with the French.
But you grossly misinterpret the events and romanticize revolutions, which are all pyrrhic victories that peace and actual diplomatic and political work need then to heal. I’ll not downplay how important was the violent takeover by Haitian, not only freeing slaves but granting their island independence from France.
But you forget that it was facilitated by the own work done by the French Revolution in 1789, and again, it’s not the violence that built lasting change, but defining the Declaration of Human Rights, positing that all men were created equal. Declaration that is the basis of France’s constitution, so again, there is no France today that could side for slavery, you’re showing here how purely theoric is your argument. The humanist values of Les Lumières were a paradigm shift that made everyone conscious, ruling class and oppressed, that their current world order was obsolete and made it prime to crumble. Slavery had no more place in that new world order and in minds once those ideas became law. And Haitians were wise to capitalize on that base. That revolt would have been squashed and reverted if the French people didn’t agree with its legitimacy.
Voltaire happened to be one of the writers whose ideas and values were echoed in that declaration, like freedom of speech. So much so that his biograph Evelyn Beatrice Hall attributed to him something that you could use “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
But it’s not enough to do that. I find it’s also important to hear it. That’s the impasse the political discourse is and where the left especially fails. I get that it’s asking a lot, and I’m not sure myself that I have the patience to do what I preach, but this division will lead us nowhere.
You should have heard your Zionist friend. You should have talked to him, as human beings.
Refusal or even failure to do so is precisely why the left worldwide became this intellectually lazy and keeps losing debates against smart conservatives and will keep on losing elections to their candidates. What’s the point in only talking with like-minded individuals in echo chambers and safe spaces with no new perspective and differing opinion? In finding community there we also only confirm biases and never challenge them. That’s no issue when we’re right but I can’t believe that it’s now impossible to make leftists see that Hamas are terrorists. The law says so, our eyes say so, Hamas say so, but you refuse to listen, as it doesn’t fit your misguided reading of the conflict. The Palestinians can be oppressed while also being trapped with and exploited by islamist thugs radicalizing their youths and using the poisonous notion of martyrdom to protect themselves at the cost of the people they claim to fight for.
And you’re eating it up. You don’t care that they’re laughing at your naivete. If you could read Arabic, you’d know. Just like you’d see your miscalculation, that the annihilation of Israel is non-negotiable and the only thing interesting most of the Arab world, not the Palestinians they consider like a useful nuisance, but only outside their border.
The left has been so embarrassing that it will lead so many country to cross right into the sirens of the far-right wing — and that will be on each and everyone illiberal leftist that was naive enough to support a terrorist organization, a death cult using sexual violence as a weapon and a tool to reward its brainwashed and radicalized orphans and other victims of imperialism, or simple racists and antisemites.
Asking for an immediate cease-fire showed that you were so eager to hate and judge that you failed to see what happened. You did not watch the horrors and evils that happened on 10/7. You only saw distant paragliders and a crowd of rich kids dancing, heard that IDF soldiers were caught their pants down, and you thought that was an accurate read of the gratuitous massacre that followed. You then heard through very expeditive 5 minutes videos and through the TikToks of Jewish sociology students suddenly experts on 7 decades of hate after one birthright trip and two semesters of on the conflict that you got it right.
That It Was Actually Very Simple. Once you learned of the Apartheid in the West Bank, reported for years by Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch, sadly ignored, you picked your side. The oppressed Palestinians versus the oppressor Israelis.
You failed to see the successives failures on both sides, pushing away peace, and each working for war. Israel by treating Palestinians as second-rate citizens and using the Army to settle Jews and displace Arabs (most likely why israelis aren’t fooled and asked, 300,000 of them, ‘Where was the Army?’)
You also failed to see that Palestinians refused five times to have their own country, because they’re unable to accept the offer if it doesn’t come with the annihilation of Israel.
Which is equally backwards and impossible as the gross desire and clear politics to turn Israel as an ethnostate. (How when judaism is a confession, when Jews are as ethnically as diverse as can be? Arab Jews making this Ultra-nationalist [Not Zionist] ideology fall on its head with the paradox: can’t keep out Arabs without refusing shelter to these Jews in the one Jewish state on Earth)
And that’s also what you fail to see. How the Ultra-nationalist of the Likud managed to answer Israelis’ concerns and twist this universal desire for sovereignty. You failed to see how they live in constant threat.
The Iron Dome isn’t some magical barrier, but missiles intercepting rockets with the debris falling still making you have to stay i nside while it passes. And happens again. You have to understand that the most powerful and evil thing about terrorism, is that it changes your entire perception. Nothing is the same once you know any stranger could want you dead. once you see how they have no qualm using your humanity against you.
I’ll invite you to research just how many and why suicide bombers are often women and children. For the latter, there’s even the cultural dimension that is used: ample clothing and the taboo around female bodies is used here to make any Israel male soldiers hesitate to bother women with a burqa, for example.
A report on why and how terrorists use women suicide bombers:
Because you’re too privileged to grasp how a terrorist has to think to survive against one of the richest militaries in the world, and to do damage. They can’t fight fair and scare or they would be annihilated in an afternoon. Why the offensive on Gaza is so dire and full of civilian casualties. Hamas made it so. They wouldn't have laster a week if they hadn't placed their HQs, weapons and ammos under huge civilians establishments. Once again, using their enemy's humanity against them. Why Israel took their gamble and disregarded it. There was no good choice anyway with Hamas. Just ask a vet if you know any what they were instructed to do if a child blocked a convoy and what happened if they stopped? Well an ambush so I doubt you could ask your question, or that the surviving vet would enjoy talking about that kind fact of realities of the war with terrorists brings.
no one can tell me i don’t inspire other writers because this unhinged zionist wrote two essays in comment form trying to combat my righteous thoughts and beliefs. anyway, kindly unfollow my work and fuck off. calling me privileged, denigrating and misreading my work is nasty business. i pray you see the light and heal your heart. until then unfollow my work and do not harass me again.
Thank you for proving my point. You have no interest for anything but your own anger, completely dismissing others with one word. Then complaining when the courtesy is returned or was always the norm. Wondering what happened when someone else's anger proves itself as dangerous as the sentiment I'm seeing here.
Make an effort next time, and make it unanimously clear to a bigot, zionist, or the boogeyman of the day why you are right. Or at least why you should be.
Good luck for the shift in discourse when the footage of 10/7 will be seen more easily than on some obscure subreddits and Telegram channels that would get you flagged by counter-terrorism. And good luck with the election next year.
I have a little bit more room to breathe but I have no illusions that I will have to suffer far-right wing policy like you will too.
They know that the IDF will arrest or at least question any abled-adult men, so they hide in their tunnels. They pretend to be ‘Press’ to be protected by convenient western conventions they don’t have to respect. They use ambulances to smuggle their fighters, yes. They conceal rocket launchers in empty water tanks.
I could go on and on. They don't care about Gazans. Said so when asked why no bomb shelters for civilians in those 500 km of tunnels? 'Not our problem, it's the United Nations' role to protect them.'
And of course, they use any occasion to make sure Israel looks in the worst light and has to choose between two options making them look or be as vile as them.
That’s the war Hamas set the terms to. Not Israel. No matter the discrepancy, that’s how guerilla warfare works. I would think that an American would be familiar with its ugliness, but I guess not.
It’s easy to judge now and call Obama a war criminal :(
And forget that for all the civilian casualties the widespread use of drones made, it also saved the lives of American troops he had the responsibility of. Instead of leaving them in a country everything they could do radicalized the population.
And if you think Afghans are better off without the US, see what rights women lost under the Taliban. If you think that military intervention and the civilian cost isn’t often the hard choice to make, why don’t you read about the sexual slavery of Yazidi women in Iraq and Syria under Isis rule?
That’s a dimension Hamas apologists believing they are freedom fighters and rebels forget or deny, rape. Why there will be a showing of some of the horror of 10/7, for people to see that’s no rebellion but pure hate. Not propaganda but this 47 min compilation will most likely by from the footage already posted online by Hamas.
The signs of sexual violence can be seen before this teen is even taken to Gaza, the video titled ‘Young Israeli woman, bleeding and abducted to Gaza in a jeep’
Or in this interview with a mortician that autopsied the 1200 victims, especially for the civilians in the Kibbutz houses, where Hamas took its time. ‘Gender-Based War Crimes in Hamas' Massacare in Israel Oct 7th 2023 - Dr. Cochav Elkayam-Levi, CEDAW’:
Because that’s exactly what will happen if world leaders were foolish enough to listen to the whines of leftists and celebs, well-meaning children. Who clearly don’t know what they’re talking about. Who wouldn’t care anymore about the region and the consequences as long as you could feel better saying very astute things like ‘war is bad’ and ‘genocide is wrong’. We know thank you. What no one does know, is a good way to end those without innocent casualties. 'Britain didn't bomb civilians.'
Imagine how embarrassing for your life and your soul it must be to lose a debate against Ben Shapiro because Allies killing civilian Germans doesn't fit in a nice and simple binary world with the good vs bad in a war. Why are there only conservatives bigots like him, people taking the wrong conclusions, while having the situation clear: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/01/the-west-must-wake-up-monsters-exist-and-evil-is-real/
And when shown the true horror of what they’re refusing to acknowledge or offer any concrete solutions to stop, you simply fall down to say that... 'hum, it wouldn’t have happened if the US didn’t invade', or here 'if Israel hadn’t fell for its Apartheid plan in the West Bank'.
If. If. If. Only able to talk about how the world should be but not how to get there, how it is for now.
An immediate cease-fire would only help Hamas to regroup. That would be a return to the status-quo. Status-quo that was in place since the blockade and Hamas came into power, free to radicalize all Gazans that were left hopeless.
Assuming that Israel heeded the ‘pressure’ of random Instagram posts and protests in Europe and US, and gave Palestine its state. I would absolutely love to see your faces when it will dawn on you that Hamas and Palestinians were serious but you refused to hear.
Hamas promised to repeat the massacre of 10/7 until Israel is destroyed. Palestinians only want their country with Israel and Jews gone. From River to the Sea. What else do you think that means?
This unified Palestine, empty of Jews, would then become the new foothold of Islamists and the base for their caliphate, just like the Islamic State was in Iraq and Syria.
You would also make 10 Millions of Jew refugees. Who would be supposed to go where? Many Arabs like to say that they can ‘go back to Brooklyn’, while celebrating IDF soldiers’ death (https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17p4gyo/stay_in_brooklyn_little_zionist_youre_not_cut_out/), as if every Israeli was a callous settler taking a nice deal on his ancestors land, Arab family be damned. Wishing for someone to find a place in NYC is not the vilest thing the average Arab does when Israel and Jews are mentionned. Celebrating the deaths of young soldiers drafted is not the worst thing either. It’s important to acknowledge how deep is the hate on both sides yes.
Israelis chanting ‘Death to Arabs’ after illegally capturing East Jerusalem
So. No. Your solution to Arab families rooted from their home would be to root Jewish families from their home. Doesn’t matter if all their forebears were also there decades, centuries or millennials ago, they all belong. It’s their home and you would send them in a world that rediscovered its hate-boner for Jews and the nice scapegoat for all their problems.
That would be a genocide.
When this offensive in retaliation to the 10/7 is simply war. Netanyahu made the powder keg even more explosive but Hamas lit the match.
You need to stop dancing around it and bring back all the context while ignoring the latest incident. If children die in Gaza right now, it’s directly because Hamas massacred 1200 civilians. You cannot call it revolution when it was simply hate. How does rape serve revolution? You will be horrified to learn the extent of the horror that happened that day.
Many call it propaganda already when most of the footage was online the first day, posted by Hamas fighters themselves, gloating, not the IDF. Again, come and see.
if Israel wanted to glass Gaza it would have done so in a day. No one came to Hamas’ aid, as their benefactors pouring millions into that nuisance know they fucked up. Like Al-Quaeda and Isis did, they’re not knowing the same fate and will be made irrelevant.
But keep this outrage for the Palestinians’ treatment once they’ll be free from Hamas. I have no illusion that Netanyahu and many Israelis fell for hate, no matter how it was proven to hurt them and continue this cycle of hate.
Then it will be time to work for peace, as Israel will never be safe as long Palestine isn’t free. But you’re a fool if you think that Hamas will be to thank for, that the price was worth it.
You have a blatant blindspot in this apology of violence. You forget that you’re not alone. You forget that all those people you labeled with one word as not worth the trouble, can and will come to that same conclusion. They have their own anger, you know nothing about, discredit, belittle, dismiss. And they could see how useless the left was.
The left is good for imagining how the world should be, and call attention on what ‘isn’t fair!’. But you clearly have no foothold in reality and how to make it. You have the eyes on the stars and ignore the cold water at your feet, trapped in a well.
And I’m sorry to say, but college graduates that have the luxury to have humanist considerations are not the majority. The lower class does not know, can’t afford, or has no possibility to care about any of this. They will listen to the politicians that talk to them, not the so-called intellectuals only good to judge without providing any solutions.
They will fall for the austerity and conservative sirens. Close everything to the other so that we’re safe. And the definition of ‘we’ will reduce more and more. You had fun throwing around the new word you just learned ‘Zionist’ and led to an explosion of antisemitism. Which will lead to an explosion of Islamophobia. Then xenophobia. Tough titties for any other genocide going on in the world because we won’t send troops and sure as hell not take in refugees, that apparently clearly showed that they couldn’t let go of religious and cultural differences from the middle ages. Then we’ll keep on going backwards. Women next. Queers. Trans.
Congratulations. You wanted revolution and you got it. Only, if you knew your history, you would know that those tend to fail to make any progress, only change the ruling class around or return to the same status-quo with a different flavor.
So talk to your Zionist friend, and admit your own hypocrisy. You demonize him outright, without seeing that a binary framework of oppressed and oppressor can’t fit for Israel-Palestine, no matter how blatant the boot on one’s neck is now. each war builds on the previous and this one has been going for so long, both sides have blood on their hands. You can’t discredit that fact. If you do, you simply admit that only gobbled everything about the conflict confirming your bias. You didn’t watch the horror on both sides. I did. Pretty much all the gruesome videos of 10/7 and each dismembered Palestinian kids.
And I still say the offensive is the only way towards peace after what Hamas did. There is a way, if the UN keep on reigning Israel and oversees the transmission of power to the Palestinian Authority.
I say this thinking about this video of a five-year old Isreali little girl, begging armed men to spare her and her baby sister’ lives. Only to be comforted and saved by the Israeli police. Hammas fighters had executed their parents in the car in front of them, but I assume spared them.
Make of that what you will.
I know most of them are lost to their death cult, were high on their hate and need for revenge, literally high on meth, but I know there’s men that saw then it went too far. Just like there were Isis fighters that deserted, seeing how they treated prisoners. Resolve crushed when a Yazidi sex slave asked one of them ‘Is this your Islam?’
So this answer your question, I guess I support genocide, if that’s your definition. I have the spine to say it after watching the horror on both sides in graphic details and painful knowledge, when you lax lyrical about theory and nice delusions about revolution and war while ignoring its gross and evil vicissitudes.
I support this cruel extermination but it’s not one of the Palestinian people. It’s Hamas that will be destroyed, not Palestinians, no matter how high the casualties are today. Only that tribal impossibility to see their self-determination without another’s destruction. Israel does not care about them, for better or worse. They just want one country to call home and be free from the hate, always picking back up against their people. Case in point, when people all over the world heard about what the evil Jews did, without knowing how entangled was this eternal and stupid war. Wrapping unrelated people and holding them somehow responsible for their racist countrymen.
Because I’m sorry, are saying that anyone in the Middle East chanting ‘Death to America’ is justified and as licence to kill your civilians? Do I even need to precise the imperialist past and the countless war crimes America committed in the ME?The abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib? The lie about the WMD in Iraq? And the drone bombing of course? Are you sure a tweet on Obama’s Summer Playlist is enough? How was Thanksgiving last week? No objections if Natives start slaughtering civilians that have nothing to do with the genocide of their people your country was built on?
No. That’s how insidious is colonization and conquest. At some point, the injustice becomes the new order, and only innocents that had no agency in building it benefit from it. At some point, antiquated cultures and values disappear or are destroyed and the world is better of for it. That makes no difference to you, but the Middle East would be better off without thugs using extreme interpretations of Islam for control. The world has no more room for ‘warriors’ that love death, raiders and cowards attacking and pillaging richer and wiser settlements. The Kingdom of Mercia broke the Vikings and send them back the tails between their tails the second time they dare to come raid their coast. Same for the Kingdom of Frank, who was also smart to break their unity and divide their strength based on charismatic leaders, by offering Normandy to one.
And the raiders went back to Scandinavia and focused on farming and settled for peace like everyone else. The vikings are dead and I say good fucking riddance. Culture that destructive should be bombed into oblivion, what matters is the people, those not holding on to delusions, pride, and blood feuds.
Palestine will be free when they’ll get that lesson. Independence and peace, or lose without fail a war with Israel. It was one or the other, they won’t have that choice again and made sure that it was war first. The UN and US are working right now for it to be both, why Blinken saw Abbas. You’re very naive if you think anyone would go to war if Israel decided to level Gaza right now. One month and nobody came. They’re the only ones drunk on war.
With all due respect, many need to sit and be glad some adults were in charge in Ukraine last year and for this conflict, or else we wouldn’t be here.
The rise of the far-right that will follow might prove tricky as we’ll be back in a mess like that with men like Netanyahu working against peace being elected. Thanks to you all, campaign against your own candidates with your inmates takes literally fueled by TikToks and Hamas propaganda. Your ambulance lie trace back to Al-Jhazeera, media conglomerate owned by Qatari slave owner, sheltering the Hamas leader, millionaire living large and not caring one bit about the Palestinians plight and your so-called revolution.
Get real and talk to your Jewish friend. Ask him how many friends or relatives he lost? How many were called to serve? How they felt this past month? How many of his friends abroad are afraid to go out? How many called terrified their loved ones one last time, trapped and hiding from a mob looking ready to lynch them?
Stop with this selective empathy and hypocrisy. From another leftist, not from a colony built on genocide and slave trade, but a colonial empire built on conquest and slave trade. Right from the comfort of our home. Where we barely know anything of the constant threat of terrorism aside from long TSA screening and being searched in theaters now.
And answer the question when asked what to do about this mess?
How do you keep your people safe when living next to and with people using their own children as weapons and meat shields?
How?
What to do about all of it now? Your inaccurate reading of the war through a post-colonial lens is not needed or any useful to stop those children from dying.
If you can’t see the difference between a Palestinian child killed in a bombing as collateral damage on a strike towards a terrorist leader, responsible for the death of thousands and planning to kill more; and an Israeli kid purposely massacred with other civilians, in every manner you can think of — it’s because you didn’t look.
No wonder Israel and the USA had to resort to releasing Hamas’ snuff films for the uninformed to get it and stop spreading misinformation endangering and killing other innocents.
Saying Free Palestine is as useful as saying ‘Free Tibet’. China said no, what the fuck is anyone going to do about it? Nothing. But here, the Arab nations have no issue spending some of their fuck you money to fund useful idiots, and grease the disinformation machine to somehow gain international support from pampered westerners with no media literacy.
You need to speak up for him to be held reasonable for now, then responsible and go to jail for it, but Netanyahu is strangely the one working for Palestine’s independence right now. It’s going to be possible once they’ll be free from Hamas. You’ll see. In the meantime, I would stop posting revolting discourse ignoring the pain of the Jewish community that you will all scramble to take down, but we’ve all seen you.
I agree with you on the worth of anger, but violence should only ever be aimed within, as an incentive to change and grow. I may be willing to concede that established powers have no reason to change an unacceptable status-quo themselves, but there’s always better ways than violence, and even when choosing it, picking the right targets makes a world’s difference.
I wouldn’t be this disgusted by so many naive leftists right now if Hamas had simply attacked IDF outposts and taken control of each crossing around Gaza. I know the world would have supported them, seeing a powerful image and reminder, had they broken the walls around Gaza.
They did not do that. They’re just cowards in a cult that most likely needed to let out some bloodlust because their troops were getting restless. Because they had nothing to offer Gazans but hate.
You’re a fool if you think all Palestinians support them and can’t see they’re dying because of those cowards hiding under them, not only the Big Bad Zionists. They lost their last chance to cast their vote 20 years ago and Hamas killed all the brave and stupid Gazans that said otherwise and we know nothing about for now.
And the complains that Biden supports genocide? My God. For once, the US was exemplary and used soft power to play the World’s police, preventing escalation that would have sent the entire region on fire by sending one supercarrier and saying one word: “Don’t.”
You should be proud of America for this. Despite being an evil imperialist guilty of war crimes on national scale and historical genocide, today, you can be proud. Like it or not, fascists are working for peace right now while you’re only helping dissension.
Thought about this essay so much last night watching Rustin which I think is a powerful film that can show the ways in which anger can galvanize and simultaneously be marginalized within a movement. Thank you as always for your writing.
i’m looking forward to seeing rustin! thank you for engaging with my work so wholeheartedly. it means a lot ♥️
From The River To The Sea.
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I never thought I would be subscribed to a substack that would call for the removal of Jews from Israel, per the above comments, and call the torture of babies righteous violence, but I will be removing myself now.
yes, please unfollow my work. i do not want anyone to follow me who would spout such bullshit and spiritually calloused propaganda. i hope you realize the error of your thinking and where your heart lies. palestinian freedom and the freedom of all people is necessary. that you think i’m calling for removal and baby torture is laughably twisting and misreading my work. your thinking is cruel and disgusting. i don’t want anyone like you in my corner.
every zionist accusation is a confession!! and removal of Jews...you just have to laugh. they can live side by side in peace with Palestinian Christians and Muslims like they did years ago or they can go back to Europe and America since many of them have dual citizenship.
This is really great, Angelica.
thank you!
Angelica, your writing is always so clear-eyed, I'm not at all surprised to see that you're clear-eyed on this subject as well. Thank you for this.
TLDR: You're so confidently wrong and you will be in for a rude awakening when you'll take the time to see the horror you're either excusing or glossing over. Rape has nothing to do with revolution. I can believe I keep on having to spell it out to leftists basing their inane opinion on the most complex conflict of the century on TikToks sourced by Al-Jhazeera. We're going to lose worldwide elections to the far-right because of how dangerous, gullible and out of touch the left political base proved to be here.
Please, don’t believe and spread misinformation. Hamas is using ambulances to smuggle fighters and weapons. That makes sense when you declared war on Israel and are actively being searched and rooted out. You don’t have to believe Hamas’ twisting that fact of their guerilla tactics to make Israel look evil.
There’s verified and trusted sources detailing both, no need to invent some and take as gospel what you found on TikTok. You may only write Al-Jhazeera lies on your blog, but some people read those and go hurting the first Jew they find.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-military-says-hit-an-ambulance-being-used-by-hamas-2023-11-03/
Look for yourself: No EMT on sight but a driver, and two dudes looking dandy climbing in the back. Does that look like terrorists trying to escape the surveillance of modern intelligence on an active war theater, or a regular emergency call?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O114V9PdmM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DY3O0R805MY
Bonus, to see the misinformation on sm some eat up. @saleh.aljafarawi, an Hamas ‘influencer’ with 80k of followers, with a very different tune depending on what’s needed to sway the opinion: appeal to fanaticism or to sympathy.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17f8rux/the_gaza_man_who_recorded_a_video_of_himself/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
You mentioning the Haitian Revolution and proposing this hypothetical of placing it today that makes no practical sense shows how out of touch you are, and so confidently wrong. First of all, there is no world where France still hasn’t abolished slavery but the rest of the world did, so I posit that in your scenario, it is not de facto abolished in every country of the world like it is today. So I suppose that yes, most people would side with the French.
But you grossly misinterpret the events and romanticize revolutions, which are all pyrrhic victories that peace and actual diplomatic and political work need then to heal. I’ll not downplay how important was the violent takeover by Haitian, not only freeing slaves but granting their island independence from France.
But you forget that it was facilitated by the own work done by the French Revolution in 1789, and again, it’s not the violence that built lasting change, but defining the Declaration of Human Rights, positing that all men were created equal. Declaration that is the basis of France’s constitution, so again, there is no France today that could side for slavery, you’re showing here how purely theoric is your argument. The humanist values of Les Lumières were a paradigm shift that made everyone conscious, ruling class and oppressed, that their current world order was obsolete and made it prime to crumble. Slavery had no more place in that new world order and in minds once those ideas became law. And Haitians were wise to capitalize on that base. That revolt would have been squashed and reverted if the French people didn’t agree with its legitimacy.
Voltaire happened to be one of the writers whose ideas and values were echoed in that declaration, like freedom of speech. So much so that his biograph Evelyn Beatrice Hall attributed to him something that you could use “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.”
But it’s not enough to do that. I find it’s also important to hear it. That’s the impasse the political discourse is and where the left especially fails. I get that it’s asking a lot, and I’m not sure myself that I have the patience to do what I preach, but this division will lead us nowhere.
You should have heard your Zionist friend. You should have talked to him, as human beings.
Refusal or even failure to do so is precisely why the left worldwide became this intellectually lazy and keeps losing debates against smart conservatives and will keep on losing elections to their candidates. What’s the point in only talking with like-minded individuals in echo chambers and safe spaces with no new perspective and differing opinion? In finding community there we also only confirm biases and never challenge them. That’s no issue when we’re right but I can’t believe that it’s now impossible to make leftists see that Hamas are terrorists. The law says so, our eyes say so, Hamas say so, but you refuse to listen, as it doesn’t fit your misguided reading of the conflict. The Palestinians can be oppressed while also being trapped with and exploited by islamist thugs radicalizing their youths and using the poisonous notion of martyrdom to protect themselves at the cost of the people they claim to fight for.
And you’re eating it up. You don’t care that they’re laughing at your naivete. If you could read Arabic, you’d know. Just like you’d see your miscalculation, that the annihilation of Israel is non-negotiable and the only thing interesting most of the Arab world, not the Palestinians they consider like a useful nuisance, but only outside their border.
The left has been so embarrassing that it will lead so many country to cross right into the sirens of the far-right wing — and that will be on each and everyone illiberal leftist that was naive enough to support a terrorist organization, a death cult using sexual violence as a weapon and a tool to reward its brainwashed and radicalized orphans and other victims of imperialism, or simple racists and antisemites.
Asking for an immediate cease-fire showed that you were so eager to hate and judge that you failed to see what happened. You did not watch the horrors and evils that happened on 10/7. You only saw distant paragliders and a crowd of rich kids dancing, heard that IDF soldiers were caught their pants down, and you thought that was an accurate read of the gratuitous massacre that followed. You then heard through very expeditive 5 minutes videos and through the TikToks of Jewish sociology students suddenly experts on 7 decades of hate after one birthright trip and two semesters of on the conflict that you got it right.
That It Was Actually Very Simple. Once you learned of the Apartheid in the West Bank, reported for years by Amnesty International and the Human Rights Watch, sadly ignored, you picked your side. The oppressed Palestinians versus the oppressor Israelis.
You failed to see the successives failures on both sides, pushing away peace, and each working for war. Israel by treating Palestinians as second-rate citizens and using the Army to settle Jews and displace Arabs (most likely why israelis aren’t fooled and asked, 300,000 of them, ‘Where was the Army?’)
You also failed to see that Palestinians refused five times to have their own country, because they’re unable to accept the offer if it doesn’t come with the annihilation of Israel.
Which is equally backwards and impossible as the gross desire and clear politics to turn Israel as an ethnostate. (How when judaism is a confession, when Jews are as ethnically as diverse as can be? Arab Jews making this Ultra-nationalist [Not Zionist] ideology fall on its head with the paradox: can’t keep out Arabs without refusing shelter to these Jews in the one Jewish state on Earth)
And that’s also what you fail to see. How the Ultra-nationalist of the Likud managed to answer Israelis’ concerns and twist this universal desire for sovereignty. You failed to see how they live in constant threat.
The Iron Dome isn’t some magical barrier, but missiles intercepting rockets with the debris falling still making you have to stay i nside while it passes. And happens again. You have to understand that the most powerful and evil thing about terrorism, is that it changes your entire perception. Nothing is the same once you know any stranger could want you dead. once you see how they have no qualm using your humanity against you.
I’ll invite you to research just how many and why suicide bombers are often women and children. For the latter, there’s even the cultural dimension that is used: ample clothing and the taboo around female bodies is used here to make any Israel male soldiers hesitate to bother women with a burqa, for example.
A report on why and how terrorists use women suicide bombers:
https://www.act.nato.int/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/c-ied-report-2016-03.pdf
And in case you tuned out news of this kind of terrorist threats in the ME like I did, a refresher but ask any Israeli if they needed any:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Palestinian_suicide_attacks
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_Palestinian_rocket_attacks_on_Israel
Because you’re too privileged to grasp how a terrorist has to think to survive against one of the richest militaries in the world, and to do damage. They can’t fight fair and scare or they would be annihilated in an afternoon. Why the offensive on Gaza is so dire and full of civilian casualties. Hamas made it so. They wouldn't have laster a week if they hadn't placed their HQs, weapons and ammos under huge civilians establishments. Once again, using their enemy's humanity against them. Why Israel took their gamble and disregarded it. There was no good choice anyway with Hamas. Just ask a vet if you know any what they were instructed to do if a child blocked a convoy and what happened if they stopped? Well an ambush so I doubt you could ask your question, or that the surviving vet would enjoy talking about that kind fact of realities of the war with terrorists brings.
You don't get it.
no one can tell me i don’t inspire other writers because this unhinged zionist wrote two essays in comment form trying to combat my righteous thoughts and beliefs. anyway, kindly unfollow my work and fuck off. calling me privileged, denigrating and misreading my work is nasty business. i pray you see the light and heal your heart. until then unfollow my work and do not harass me again.
Thank you for proving my point. You have no interest for anything but your own anger, completely dismissing others with one word. Then complaining when the courtesy is returned or was always the norm. Wondering what happened when someone else's anger proves itself as dangerous as the sentiment I'm seeing here.
Make an effort next time, and make it unanimously clear to a bigot, zionist, or the boogeyman of the day why you are right. Or at least why you should be.
Good luck for the shift in discourse when the footage of 10/7 will be seen more easily than on some obscure subreddits and Telegram channels that would get you flagged by counter-terrorism. And good luck with the election next year.
I have a little bit more room to breathe but I have no illusions that I will have to suffer far-right wing policy like you will too.
They know that the IDF will arrest or at least question any abled-adult men, so they hide in their tunnels. They pretend to be ‘Press’ to be protected by convenient western conventions they don’t have to respect. They use ambulances to smuggle their fighters, yes. They conceal rocket launchers in empty water tanks.
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17p697e/idf_discovered_a_hidden_rocket_launcher_of_hamas/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
They repurpose pipes meant to better the conditions for Gazans for their potshots.
https://youtu.be/MvvqBcA-9yA?feature=shared
I could go on and on. They don't care about Gazans. Said so when asked why no bomb shelters for civilians in those 500 km of tunnels? 'Not our problem, it's the United Nations' role to protect them.'
https://freebeacon.com/latest-news/watch-hamas-official-says-group-doesnt-give-civilians-shelter-because-thats-the-uns-job/
And of course, they use any occasion to make sure Israel looks in the worst light and has to choose between two options making them look or be as vile as them.
That’s the war Hamas set the terms to. Not Israel. No matter the discrepancy, that’s how guerilla warfare works. I would think that an American would be familiar with its ugliness, but I guess not.
It’s easy to judge now and call Obama a war criminal :(
And forget that for all the civilian casualties the widespread use of drones made, it also saved the lives of American troops he had the responsibility of. Instead of leaving them in a country everything they could do radicalized the population.
And if you think Afghans are better off without the US, see what rights women lost under the Taliban. If you think that military intervention and the civilian cost isn’t often the hard choice to make, why don’t you read about the sexual slavery of Yazidi women in Iraq and Syria under Isis rule?
https://gnwp.org/wp-content/uploads/Iraq_GNWP-Conflict-Related-Sexual-Slavery-Research_Dec-2020.pdf
That’s a dimension Hamas apologists believing they are freedom fighters and rebels forget or deny, rape. Why there will be a showing of some of the horror of 10/7, for people to see that’s no rebellion but pure hate. Not propaganda but this 47 min compilation will most likely by from the footage already posted online by Hamas.
https://www.hamas-massacre.net/categories/abductions-to-the-gaza-strip
The signs of sexual violence can be seen before this teen is even taken to Gaza, the video titled ‘Young Israeli woman, bleeding and abducted to Gaza in a jeep’
Or in this interview with a mortician that autopsied the 1200 victims, especially for the civilians in the Kibbutz houses, where Hamas took its time. ‘Gender-Based War Crimes in Hamas' Massacare in Israel Oct 7th 2023 - Dr. Cochav Elkayam-Levi, CEDAW’:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88gFNVwz8ps
Because that’s exactly what will happen if world leaders were foolish enough to listen to the whines of leftists and celebs, well-meaning children. Who clearly don’t know what they’re talking about. Who wouldn’t care anymore about the region and the consequences as long as you could feel better saying very astute things like ‘war is bad’ and ‘genocide is wrong’. We know thank you. What no one does know, is a good way to end those without innocent casualties. 'Britain didn't bomb civilians.'
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1720451689445208499
Imagine how embarrassing for your life and your soul it must be to lose a debate against Ben Shapiro because Allies killing civilian Germans doesn't fit in a nice and simple binary world with the good vs bad in a war. Why are there only conservatives bigots like him, people taking the wrong conclusions, while having the situation clear: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/11/01/the-west-must-wake-up-monsters-exist-and-evil-is-real/
And when shown the true horror of what they’re refusing to acknowledge or offer any concrete solutions to stop, you simply fall down to say that... 'hum, it wouldn’t have happened if the US didn’t invade', or here 'if Israel hadn’t fell for its Apartheid plan in the West Bank'.
If. If. If. Only able to talk about how the world should be but not how to get there, how it is for now.
An immediate cease-fire would only help Hamas to regroup. That would be a return to the status-quo. Status-quo that was in place since the blockade and Hamas came into power, free to radicalize all Gazans that were left hopeless.
Assuming that Israel heeded the ‘pressure’ of random Instagram posts and protests in Europe and US, and gave Palestine its state. I would absolutely love to see your faces when it will dawn on you that Hamas and Palestinians were serious but you refused to hear.
Hamas promised to repeat the massacre of 10/7 until Israel is destroyed. Palestinians only want their country with Israel and Jews gone. From River to the Sea. What else do you think that means?
This unified Palestine, empty of Jews, would then become the new foothold of Islamists and the base for their caliphate, just like the Islamic State was in Iraq and Syria.
You would also make 10 Millions of Jew refugees. Who would be supposed to go where? Many Arabs like to say that they can ‘go back to Brooklyn’, while celebrating IDF soldiers’ death (https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/17p4gyo/stay_in_brooklyn_little_zionist_youre_not_cut_out/), as if every Israeli was a callous settler taking a nice deal on his ancestors land, Arab family be damned. Wishing for someone to find a place in NYC is not the vilest thing the average Arab does when Israel and Jews are mentionned. Celebrating the deaths of young soldiers drafted is not the worst thing either. It’s important to acknowledge how deep is the hate on both sides yes.
Israelis chanting ‘Death to Arabs’ after illegally capturing East Jerusalem
https://youtu.be/b0faSzYcmbM?feature=shared
So. No. Your solution to Arab families rooted from their home would be to root Jewish families from their home. Doesn’t matter if all their forebears were also there decades, centuries or millennials ago, they all belong. It’s their home and you would send them in a world that rediscovered its hate-boner for Jews and the nice scapegoat for all their problems.
That would be a genocide.
When this offensive in retaliation to the 10/7 is simply war. Netanyahu made the powder keg even more explosive but Hamas lit the match.
You need to stop dancing around it and bring back all the context while ignoring the latest incident. If children die in Gaza right now, it’s directly because Hamas massacred 1200 civilians. You cannot call it revolution when it was simply hate. How does rape serve revolution? You will be horrified to learn the extent of the horror that happened that day.
Many call it propaganda already when most of the footage was online the first day, posted by Hamas fighters themselves, gloating, not the IDF. Again, come and see.
if Israel wanted to glass Gaza it would have done so in a day. No one came to Hamas’ aid, as their benefactors pouring millions into that nuisance know they fucked up. Like Al-Quaeda and Isis did, they’re not knowing the same fate and will be made irrelevant.
But keep this outrage for the Palestinians’ treatment once they’ll be free from Hamas. I have no illusion that Netanyahu and many Israelis fell for hate, no matter how it was proven to hurt them and continue this cycle of hate.
Then it will be time to work for peace, as Israel will never be safe as long Palestine isn’t free. But you’re a fool if you think that Hamas will be to thank for, that the price was worth it.
You have a blatant blindspot in this apology of violence. You forget that you’re not alone. You forget that all those people you labeled with one word as not worth the trouble, can and will come to that same conclusion. They have their own anger, you know nothing about, discredit, belittle, dismiss. And they could see how useless the left was.
The left is good for imagining how the world should be, and call attention on what ‘isn’t fair!’. But you clearly have no foothold in reality and how to make it. You have the eyes on the stars and ignore the cold water at your feet, trapped in a well.
And I’m sorry to say, but college graduates that have the luxury to have humanist considerations are not the majority. The lower class does not know, can’t afford, or has no possibility to care about any of this. They will listen to the politicians that talk to them, not the so-called intellectuals only good to judge without providing any solutions.
They will fall for the austerity and conservative sirens. Close everything to the other so that we’re safe. And the definition of ‘we’ will reduce more and more. You had fun throwing around the new word you just learned ‘Zionist’ and led to an explosion of antisemitism. Which will lead to an explosion of Islamophobia. Then xenophobia. Tough titties for any other genocide going on in the world because we won’t send troops and sure as hell not take in refugees, that apparently clearly showed that they couldn’t let go of religious and cultural differences from the middle ages. Then we’ll keep on going backwards. Women next. Queers. Trans.
Congratulations. You wanted revolution and you got it. Only, if you knew your history, you would know that those tend to fail to make any progress, only change the ruling class around or return to the same status-quo with a different flavor.
So talk to your Zionist friend, and admit your own hypocrisy. You demonize him outright, without seeing that a binary framework of oppressed and oppressor can’t fit for Israel-Palestine, no matter how blatant the boot on one’s neck is now. each war builds on the previous and this one has been going for so long, both sides have blood on their hands. You can’t discredit that fact. If you do, you simply admit that only gobbled everything about the conflict confirming your bias. You didn’t watch the horror on both sides. I did. Pretty much all the gruesome videos of 10/7 and each dismembered Palestinian kids.
And I still say the offensive is the only way towards peace after what Hamas did. There is a way, if the UN keep on reigning Israel and oversees the transmission of power to the Palestinian Authority.
I say this thinking about this video of a five-year old Isreali little girl, begging armed men to spare her and her baby sister’ lives. Only to be comforted and saved by the Israeli police. Hammas fighters had executed their parents in the car in front of them, but I assume spared them.
Make of that what you will.
I know most of them are lost to their death cult, were high on their hate and need for revenge, literally high on meth, but I know there’s men that saw then it went too far. Just like there were Isis fighters that deserted, seeing how they treated prisoners. Resolve crushed when a Yazidi sex slave asked one of them ‘Is this your Islam?’
https://youtu.be/DX06wblh9cI?feature=shared
So this answer your question, I guess I support genocide, if that’s your definition. I have the spine to say it after watching the horror on both sides in graphic details and painful knowledge, when you lax lyrical about theory and nice delusions about revolution and war while ignoring its gross and evil vicissitudes.
I support this cruel extermination but it’s not one of the Palestinian people. It’s Hamas that will be destroyed, not Palestinians, no matter how high the casualties are today. Only that tribal impossibility to see their self-determination without another’s destruction. Israel does not care about them, for better or worse. They just want one country to call home and be free from the hate, always picking back up against their people. Case in point, when people all over the world heard about what the evil Jews did, without knowing how entangled was this eternal and stupid war. Wrapping unrelated people and holding them somehow responsible for their racist countrymen.
Because I’m sorry, are saying that anyone in the Middle East chanting ‘Death to America’ is justified and as licence to kill your civilians? Do I even need to precise the imperialist past and the countless war crimes America committed in the ME?The abuse of prisoners in Abu Ghraib? The lie about the WMD in Iraq? And the drone bombing of course? Are you sure a tweet on Obama’s Summer Playlist is enough? How was Thanksgiving last week? No objections if Natives start slaughtering civilians that have nothing to do with the genocide of their people your country was built on?
No. That’s how insidious is colonization and conquest. At some point, the injustice becomes the new order, and only innocents that had no agency in building it benefit from it. At some point, antiquated cultures and values disappear or are destroyed and the world is better of for it. That makes no difference to you, but the Middle East would be better off without thugs using extreme interpretations of Islam for control. The world has no more room for ‘warriors’ that love death, raiders and cowards attacking and pillaging richer and wiser settlements. The Kingdom of Mercia broke the Vikings and send them back the tails between their tails the second time they dare to come raid their coast. Same for the Kingdom of Frank, who was also smart to break their unity and divide their strength based on charismatic leaders, by offering Normandy to one.
And the raiders went back to Scandinavia and focused on farming and settled for peace like everyone else. The vikings are dead and I say good fucking riddance. Culture that destructive should be bombed into oblivion, what matters is the people, those not holding on to delusions, pride, and blood feuds.
Palestine will be free when they’ll get that lesson. Independence and peace, or lose without fail a war with Israel. It was one or the other, they won’t have that choice again and made sure that it was war first. The UN and US are working right now for it to be both, why Blinken saw Abbas. You’re very naive if you think anyone would go to war if Israel decided to level Gaza right now. One month and nobody came. They’re the only ones drunk on war.
With all due respect, many need to sit and be glad some adults were in charge in Ukraine last year and for this conflict, or else we wouldn’t be here.
The rise of the far-right that will follow might prove tricky as we’ll be back in a mess like that with men like Netanyahu working against peace being elected. Thanks to you all, campaign against your own candidates with your inmates takes literally fueled by TikToks and Hamas propaganda. Your ambulance lie trace back to Al-Jhazeera, media conglomerate owned by Qatari slave owner, sheltering the Hamas leader, millionaire living large and not caring one bit about the Palestinians plight and your so-called revolution.
Get real and talk to your Jewish friend. Ask him how many friends or relatives he lost? How many were called to serve? How they felt this past month? How many of his friends abroad are afraid to go out? How many called terrified their loved ones one last time, trapped and hiding from a mob looking ready to lynch them?
Stop with this selective empathy and hypocrisy. From another leftist, not from a colony built on genocide and slave trade, but a colonial empire built on conquest and slave trade. Right from the comfort of our home. Where we barely know anything of the constant threat of terrorism aside from long TSA screening and being searched in theaters now.
And answer the question when asked what to do about this mess?
How do you keep your people safe when living next to and with people using their own children as weapons and meat shields?
How?
What to do about all of it now? Your inaccurate reading of the war through a post-colonial lens is not needed or any useful to stop those children from dying.
If you can’t see the difference between a Palestinian child killed in a bombing as collateral damage on a strike towards a terrorist leader, responsible for the death of thousands and planning to kill more; and an Israeli kid purposely massacred with other civilians, in every manner you can think of — it’s because you didn’t look.
No wonder Israel and the USA had to resort to releasing Hamas’ snuff films for the uninformed to get it and stop spreading misinformation endangering and killing other innocents.
Saying Free Palestine is as useful as saying ‘Free Tibet’. China said no, what the fuck is anyone going to do about it? Nothing. But here, the Arab nations have no issue spending some of their fuck you money to fund useful idiots, and grease the disinformation machine to somehow gain international support from pampered westerners with no media literacy.
You need to speak up for him to be held reasonable for now, then responsible and go to jail for it, but Netanyahu is strangely the one working for Palestine’s independence right now. It’s going to be possible once they’ll be free from Hamas. You’ll see. In the meantime, I would stop posting revolting discourse ignoring the pain of the Jewish community that you will all scramble to take down, but we’ve all seen you.
I agree with you on the worth of anger, but violence should only ever be aimed within, as an incentive to change and grow. I may be willing to concede that established powers have no reason to change an unacceptable status-quo themselves, but there’s always better ways than violence, and even when choosing it, picking the right targets makes a world’s difference.
I wouldn’t be this disgusted by so many naive leftists right now if Hamas had simply attacked IDF outposts and taken control of each crossing around Gaza. I know the world would have supported them, seeing a powerful image and reminder, had they broken the walls around Gaza.
They did not do that. They’re just cowards in a cult that most likely needed to let out some bloodlust because their troops were getting restless. Because they had nothing to offer Gazans but hate.
You’re a fool if you think all Palestinians support them and can’t see they’re dying because of those cowards hiding under them, not only the Big Bad Zionists. They lost their last chance to cast their vote 20 years ago and Hamas killed all the brave and stupid Gazans that said otherwise and we know nothing about for now.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2023-11-07/no-gazans-can-t-rise-up-against-hamas
Some Palestinians’ voices still reach from the noise of the martyr propaganda:
“It’s all those Hamas’ dogs fault.”
https://twitter.com/IsraelinEU/status/1720071017094328449
“Oh world, oh America, help us get rid of Hamas”
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/17odz2v/a_man_in_gaza_yelling_from_a_building_oh_world_oh/
And the complains that Biden supports genocide? My God. For once, the US was exemplary and used soft power to play the World’s police, preventing escalation that would have sent the entire region on fire by sending one supercarrier and saying one word: “Don’t.”
You should be proud of America for this. Despite being an evil imperialist guilty of war crimes on national scale and historical genocide, today, you can be proud. Like it or not, fascists are working for peace right now while you’re only helping dissension.
okay. this isn’t news to me. i can enjoy them as actors while not agreeing and having a different political path.